Link to the video on "From Ink to Inc.", a relatively unknown channel: https://youtu.be/gMfIwIWJ6vo
I will, eventually, also upload this to à-bas-le-ciel —my well-established, utterly unknown channel. ;-)
Link to the video on "From Ink to Inc.", a relatively unknown channel: https://youtu.be/gMfIwIWJ6vo
I will, eventually, also upload this to à-bas-le-ciel —my well-established, utterly unknown channel. ;-)
LINK: https://youtu.be/2fEIeJEZAMM
I said "Daemon Blackfyre" when I meant "Daemon Targaryen" AGAIN. Throughout THE WHOLE VIDEO. You'll figure it out. House of the Dragon Season 3. #hotd #asoiaf #hotdseason3 #season3 #s3 #grrm #gameofthrones For those who don't know, "ASOIAF" = A Song of Ice and Fire, a broader category (of books) that includes both House of the Dragon and Game of Thrones.
The source being quoted (and promoted) here was written in a less barbaric and brutal era of internet communications, 2014, when humanity was not exclusively devoted to wearing a mask, wielding a knife, and stabbing itself in the back:
‘Adulter, impudicus, sequester‘ convicium est, non accusatio.
(‘Adulterer, pervert, dealer in bribes’, this is the language of slander, not of prosecution.)
The strange tale told (and in large part concealed) in Cicero's strange Pro Caelio is the only evidence we have that what Catullus had to say about his own sex life was not fictional —and was not intended to be seen as fictional by his contemporaries.
Our Pro Caelio purports to be the speech delivered by Cicero to conclude the defence; a speech which is famous among classicists for its over-the-top denunciation of the sexual mores of the prosecution’s star witness, Clodia (a woman alleged to have been the inspiration for Catullus’ lover, [referred to in his poems by the pseudonym] Lesbia).
Here is the short article I am drawing your attention to:
https://whatwouldcicerodo.wordpress.com/2014/05/21/power-corruption-and-lies-in-defence-of-caelius/
The author is still alive and (as is typical of this era of the internet) continues posting to Instagram, but no longer to his (long abandoned) blog, linked to above.
https://www.instagram.com/sillettandrew/
York University —quite possibly the most miserable place on this earth that I have ever set foot— somehow ended up making a translation of the Pro Caelio available to the public without crediting the translator.
[Cicero:] But now I will handle her [Clodia, a.k.a. Catullus's Lesbia] with moderation, and proceed no further than my honor and the case itself demand. I have never thought it right to take up arms against a lady, especially against one whose arms are so open to all.
The denunciation that ensues, delayed by many digressions to contrast the morals of "the fallen age" we are (now) living in to the glorious past of a still-more-ancient Greece and Rome, tells us more about Cicero's character than it does about Clodia or Caelio or Catullus.
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUptMmb9IKs
House of the Dragon Season 3. #hotdseason3 #season3 #s3 #grrm #gameofthrones For those who don't know, "ASOIAF" = A Song of Ice and Fire, a broader category (of books) that includes both House of the Dragon and Game of Thrones.
I think this one is not appropriate for any of my podcasts… so it will remain a youtube exclusive.
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7hkc-nlxVU
Here's the link to the article… although it is an article about an article, I note. https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/emily-ratajkowski-used-sex-to-become-new-woman-after-divorce/ She has said of herself that she stopped having sex with her husband around precisely this time when he'd cheated on her ("[they] stopped being intimate six months after she gave birth") although I would not assume a six month timeline, nor would I assume they had a wonderful sex life immediately before those six months —I would just assume that the decline of their sex lives, as a couple, was somehow related to his infidelity (perhaps his infidelity was the cause of the decline, rather than merely being an effect of the decline, we don't know).
Happiness: a mask without a face.
The longest three minutes of your whole entire life. ;-)
It would be reasonable to say that within the last ten years these events have had unforeseen consequences in Canada more dire than those in India. The Sikh separatist movement now "unites" Canada with India, in a surreal sense of the term, and yet of course also divides the Canadian government against India from time to time.
Yeah, look, I'm not going to try to explain the humor of the thing… if one thousand people see the video, fully one hundred of them will find it hilarious… and I can't exactly apologize to the other 900. ;-) More than one language and more than one inexplicable internet subculture is involved here. 🦓
This was uploaded to à-bas-le-ciel under the title above, Quitting Esperanto to Learn Chinese, the International Language OF LOVE.
LINK: https://youtu.be/MeclMkB-hgY
It's on my other channel (Eisel Mazard: Monolingual Polyglot) under the more "pointed" title, Polyglot Secrets: Why Evildea Moved to China, THE REAL REASON.
He is more honest when discussing the conflict between Russia and China, more diplomatic when discussing the conflict between China and India, I note.
I am not nearly as optimistic as he seems to be. Seems.
Take a glance at the increase in India's military budget per annum, 2015 to 2025:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/MS.MIL.XPND.CD?locations=IN
Climate change is salient: the disappearance of the glaciers in western Canada is one thing, the disappearance of the glacier in the middle of India quite another. This is a chess match being played with a timer counting down.
I dare not mention the effects of climate change on Siberia (a more important theater for the conflict than most commentators are willing to suppose). I'm not the only one who remembers Nikolaevsk-on-Amur. From a Chinese perspective, those borders make no sense, and urgently require rationalization. At the end of this Ukraine war, presumably, Russia will be weak enough to be rationalized with.
The moral of the story here is that youtube is really just a blank sheet of paper: you can learn a lot from working with it, or you can squander the opportunity, learning nothing at all.
Originally uploaded as a livestream (on à-bas-le-ciel) under the title, "Theo Slade: it's always unreasonable to expect reasonable criticism."
LINK: https://youtube.com/live/pxbF2bDTFdI
This was uploaded elsewhere as a video under the title, "The internet is a blank sheet of paper: you can learn A LOT from a blank sheet of paper."
LINK: https://youtu.be/NQxkFC_B_iw
Only 22 minutes long, BTW… short by my standards!
Re: "The conversation is about your behaviour, not my evidence free boasts."
Right, so what behavior?
What is it that you're so offended by (or so motivated by)?
Look, you've said repeatedly that I "manipulated" my own mother into giving me money: that is a story that you invented. Everything you've said about my relationship with my mother is purely fictional: I'm not angry at you, and I genuinely don't care —but you seem to be astonished when it's pointed out to you that you're not criticizing things I've actually said and done but you are, instead, criticizing fictions of your own invention.
Re: "Is it ironic when you, the fantasist, accuse me of fantasising about what you are.?"
No, I'm directly quoting things you've actually said (not done) and I'm pointing out (correctly) that they are fictional or are the result of your own fantasies. This is not what you do in criticizing me, e.g.,
Re: "You've boasted hundreds of times about your Khmer/khmai skills…"
No: I have not boasted even once, this is a lie (or a fiction or a fantasy) you've invented off of the top of your head. You don't have a single source: you're not quoting anything I've said ever (about my experience with the Cambodian language). It's possible you've never seen or read anything I've said on the topic, and it's possible that you heard something I said many years ago, and now you only half-remember it, and you're sincerely unaware of the extent to which you're inventing your own story about me (rather than recalling something I've actually said in the past).
Please, challenge yourself: look up what I've actually said (or written) about the study of the Khmer language and the level of ability I achieved. You will not find boasting: you'll find a lot of grim realism and practical warnings (and very frank admissions of how limited my ability to communicate in the language was, despite hard work, etc.).
[I will add an example, not included in the original conversation on Reddit:]
https://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.com/2012/05/pali-revival-and-survival-in-cambodia.html
BTW, so far as I know, demanding to hear me speak Lao or Khmer seems to be a new tactic on your part, if you were doing this a year ago (or many years ago) I apologize for my ignorance, but within the last few days you have said things along these lines repeatedly:
"Speak Thai with a strong Laos accent. Speak Khmer. Simple as. You're the polyglot professor. Let's hear ya."
I am currently learning Finnish: I did learn to speak, read and write Lao at some kind of intermediate level, but that was many languages ago (i.e., you could make a list of how many languages I've studied in-between Lao and Finnish, and it would be a considerable list). Have you ever asked yourself in what year I learned to speak the Lao language?
That was in 2006 and 2007: twenty years ago, in round numbers.
There is ample evidence of what I accomplished in those languages on the internet, and none of it is boasting: you can read (and hear) some very somber reflections on what it was like learning Lao in that context —and my sadness at suddenly being forced to stop learning the language —reflecting on the extent to which all that hard work was "for nothing" now that I was cut off from the pursuit of my former ambitions.
Here's an article from 2012 reflecting on my experience studying Lao, and you may well comb it for signs of narcissism, as you seem to be obsessed with proving that I have NPD:
https://a-bas-le-ciel.blogspot.com/2012/05/on-learning-lao-fascicle-1.html
I realize that you have no sincere interest in NPD as "a real condition", but someone with NPD could never write that article. Durianrider and I are not friends, but I've seen him having a laugh at his own expense in front of an audience that was laughing at him (not with him) and I can recognize that this would be impossible for someone with NPD —it would be their worst nightmare. People with NPD really freak out under conditions that Durianrider and I both handle causally and with a chuckle. If you think I'm a terrible person, by all means find a more productive way to criticize my behavior (something you consistently insinuate is evil without really specifying what it is that's evil about my current lifestyle, "reading Seneca and Cicero", as you say).
So, yes, 20 years ago I had some significant experience with the Lao language, and I can still tell some interesting anecdotes from that time in my life, but it would be a lot of work to revive my moment-to-moment speaking (and listening) ability in the language, and I do not now have any reason to do so (whereas, e.g., I actually did "hit the books" before each of my trips to Thailand, including the trips for the lawsuit against Durianrider, and so I was able to speak to Taxi drivers and food vendors in Lao while I was there —or in my attempt to speak Thai with a heavy Lao accent). Many people actually witnessed this and mentioned it on youtube at the time, i.e., other vegans in Chiang Mai who saw me speaking with locals in Lao/Thai. I didn't make a big deal of it because I didn't think it was remarkable: anyone who has experience living and working in the region should have some ability along those lines.
My accomplishments in those languages are only extraordinary because of the dismally low expectations created by the laziness of ordinary people: I didn't spend my time watching sports, whereas most men my age (in Laos or otherwise) did exactly that. I also didn't spend my time going to the beach or climbing mountains: generally, I was studying (the language, but also history and politics) when others were not. That does not mean there's anything superhuman or extraordinary about my accomplishments: different people make different choices with different consequences. I was invited to join the rugby team in Vientiane and I demurred. If I had joined that team, my life would have changed in many ways (I would have been socializing with Australian ex-pats very different from the friends I made hanging out at the library/archives).
I now return to the second part of your statement: "Speak Thai with a strong Laos accent. Speak Khmer. Simple as. You're the polyglot professor. Let's hear ya."
Do you have any source in which I present myself as "the polyglot professor"? It's quite possible you've only seen the titles of my videos on these subjects and you've never listened to them: I do not misrepresent my expertise in any specific language, nor in the teaching and study of languages, generally. The name of the channel, "monolingual polyglot", is a joke about my own lack of expertise: after studying so many languages, I've ended up as a monolingual. Again, you will find that people with NPD do not make such jokes at their own expense (not even in rap music and —for better or worse— I have been willing to record rap songs ridiculing myself, due to a lack of narcissism, I suppose).
The advice offered by some other polyglots is outrageously bad, and anyone with experience studying languages can (and should) criticize it: no, for example, 15 minutes per day isn't enough, and one hour per day isn't enough, either. In recent videos I've pointed out the impact on your marriage that studying just one foreign language could have, given that it's more than one hour per day: that is a "blindingly obvious" observation that any reasonable person could offer —it doesn't entail that I misrepresent myself as "a polyglot professor".
Now, by contrast, Steve Kaufmann really does present himself as an expert and "a polyglot professor", while trying to sell you a product, and I've criticized him (both recently and several years ago) with the claims he's made about his expertise (and fluency) in mind. So, yes, I understand what you're trying to do here, as a critic, but as always, you need to work from the historical record of what I've actually said and done.
If you "stay tuned" you will indeed hear me speaking Finnish (presumably quite badly, as I struggle with the most basic elements of the language) but it doesn't seem plausible that I would now (suddenly) return to the study of Lao or Khmer. It's not entirely impossible, but there would need to be some compelling reason (personal or political) that is difficult to imagine or foresee.
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[Eisel Mazard:]
No, Gump, that's the problem: nothing you say is interesting.
None of your criticism quotes my work: it isn't based on things I've actually said or written or done whereas my criticism of others is precisely that: I quote my sources and show that I've done the work (that I've done the reading, etc.). That is the sense in which you're just in a war against a fantasy of your own creation: you're never going to produce a critique of Eisel Mazard equivalent to Eisel Mazard's critique of Unnatural Vegan, or James Aspey, or Cosmic Skeptic.
You're not holding up a mirror: you're holding up a crayon drawing of your own creation and indicating how furious you are at this imaginary character, again and again.
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[BunnedGump:]
Games of the narcissistic mind.
Your overwhelming urge to silence me, the critic of you, your behaviour, your fantasies. Must be a thorn. You can always become a 50 year old bouncer.
What you consistently do is try to out-intellectualize" your way out of a character critique. You've convinced yourself that if you can prove you're the better researcher, you are automatically the better person. Non.
Have you ever acknowledged a single point I've made? Noh!
All you do is pivot back to your "credentials" and "work"?
I think you live in a fantasy world of coulda, shoulda, woulda.
You definitely need help.
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[Eisel Mazard:]
Dude, I'm not mad at you: I just find what you have to say stupid and pointless.
Re: "Have you ever acknowledged a single point I've made? Noh!"
You've never made a single point: you don't quote my work, you don't actually criticize anything I've said or done. You don't criticize facts: your ranting is not addressed to specific passages of text or specific portions of videos (whereas my criticism of other authors and youtubers is precisely that: it's based on what they've said and done, and I provide quotations, etc.).
Re: "All you do is pivot back to your "credentials" and "work"?"
That's not true either: I'm simply enjoying my life. Sometimes I make a youtube video talking about a book I've read or reviewing a food product I've eaten, etc. — I don't have any of the preoccupations (or obsessions) you're fabricating out of thin air here.
[One additional example added here: I would say the same about my intermittent returns to making political satire videos, such as the comedic song about the conflict between Somalian immigrants and Donald Trump. This is simply an aspect of "enjoying my life".]
Re: "What you consistently do is try to out-intellectualize" your way out of a character critique."
Dude, your critique is simply too idiotic and too reliant upon fictions of your own invention to be worth addressing: you're amusing yourself but absolutely nobody else. You're not capable of criticizing me the same way I criticized James Aspey, Unnatural Vegan, Gary Yourofsky, etc. —and an important part of that work was indeed "a character critique", in your terms.
You're never going to write a book that anyone will want to read, you're never going to record an autobiographical monologue that anyone will want to listen to: you, Gump, could become a 50 year old bouncer, but it's quite obvious what it is that you resent and envy about me.
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[From a separate thread, below, this picks up from his reply to my final comment in the short conversation shared earlier under the title, Youtube is just a website on the internet: whether you use it to become wiser or more foolish is up to you.]
[Eisel Mazard:]
[…] I've never seen you offer a substantive criticism of my work under any heading.
It's not as if I can say, "The guy's insulting, but he really had an intelligent perspective on climate change" —nor any other topic (out of thousands) that I've covered in my videos, podcasts and books.
You get to choose if you're sharpening your mind or blunting it, here on the internet: you're making the wrong choice, again and again, and on some level, you know it.
You know you'd be better off reading the Tragedies of Seneca and uploading your thoughts and feelings about the text (as I've recently done) or even making comedy videos, etc.
You know you'd be better off imitating my hobbies rather than insulting me for having them.
And keep in mind: all of this stuff you're criticizing is just a hobby for me.
Youtube is just a website on the internet. Uploading my thoughts about Seneca or Cicero or Stendhal is really just a hobby for me. And you do nothing like this in your spare time —and you know you'd be better off if you did.
[BunnedGump:]
If I didn't work for a living, have a family and friends. Plus, if I lacked a moral compass and emotionally manipulated my mother into supporting me for my entire life.
If I lacked drive, ambition, curiosity, empathy, I could try to be like you and find hobbies to waste my time and others income on. Read Cicero, Seneca? I'm currently working my way through the Harry Potter series. Do you know how thick those books are, number of pages, how heavy a kindle is?
I waste my time on Reddit, says the YouTuber with a roomful of mirrors.
As for imitation, you'd be better off imitating me. Take care of yourself, not expect or demand others provide for you. Be a man, not a pretentious little boy.
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[Eisel Mazard:]
This is all you ever have to say for yourself, Gump: that you're proud of earning money. Can you really imagine how pathetic that is from my perspective? You're never going to read Seneca or Cicero, but it's not because you're busy earning money, is it? It's not because you live in such extreme poverty that reading these books would be impossible for you to do, is it?
[I notice that he makes no effort to convince me that I am the one lacking "a moral compass" in this conversation. 🦓 Just imagine if someone were to think it were the other way around!]
[The image of the uroboros in the title is linked to this problem of internet criticism that feeds upon the fabrications and delusions of the critic: imagine if I had simply made up what I imagined to be the political beliefs of my opponents, instead of working from the historical record (text, audio recordings, videos, etc.) of what they had actually said and done. People like Gump seem to be genuinely unaware of the extent to which they're interrogating a fictional character of their own creation —and, indeed, the literature he has created condemning me is so utterly boring (and detached from reality) that nobody would bother to debunk it. I realize that many people find it difficult to believe that (e.g.) Gary Yourofsky, Unnatural Vegan, Cosmic Skeptic and Peter Singer actually said the things I've criticized them for saying, but that is why I work from the historical record, and quote my sources in the process of criticizing them.]
Link to the original livestream on à-bas-le-ciel: https://youtube.com/live/axlyLtRdQAU
Link to the video on Eisel Mazard: Monolingual Polyglot: https://youtu.be/1aeeNrGWy4o
Link to the podcast on Spotify, under the heading of "Everyone Hates Eisel Mazard": https://open.spotify.com/episode/10lzGsjQzttDT55d23qnVS
[Theo / WildVirtue:]
Personally part of why I'd keep looking for meaningful employment in your situation is that you could potentially encourage your mom to give what charity she gives you now to people in more dire straits, or be able to give away what money she gives you yourself.
Out of curiosity did you get the personal fitness instructor qualification? Why not start pulling in an income continuing down that path?
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[And I reply:]
Re: "Out of curiosity did you get the personal fitness instructor qualification?"
I did indeed.
And the symptoms that would lead to my surgery were killing me during the online classes. I'd lose the ability to even walk, etc., soon thereafter, and begin this long period of recovery (i.e., a long struggle to get back into shape, again and again).
It has been physically impossible for me to work in that field —or in any field whatsoever— during this period of illness and injury.
The video about Hungary ("In Defense of Viktor Orban") shows me in a period when I'd managed to increase the amount I was bench pressing —gradually— after the surgery, but then all this progress would be lost and I'd be back to zero (pretty much) the next day.
(I think you are aware of this but had forgotten it, as it is mentioned en passant in many things that I upload.)
The money earned from working at a gym would not be significant, neither for my mother's charities (she supports many) nor for my own: it would largely be for the sake of socializing with others, and for the sake of the exercise itself. It would earn something like £100 per week.
I've chatted with people who currently do the job, in addition to the information that was included within the course. You can imagine: many of them do it just to motivate themselves to stay in shape.
There'd be more money in working as a bouncer at a nightclub, for instance, another job that requires me to stay in shape and lift weights.
Re: "Personally part of why I'd keep looking for meaningful employment in your situation is that you could potentially encourage your mom to give what charity…"
I am certainly looking forward to seeing you live up to your own principles, old man: you are well aware of my own history of engagement with the charity and non-profit sector (in Cambodia and Laos, yes, but I was also involved in Cree-and-Ojibwe for obviously charitable reasons)… I have heard nothing about your involvement in it.
If you had more experience in charities and non-profits, you might conclude that your anarchist critique of government applies even more devastatingly to these "non-government organizations". You might come to the conclusion that it would be immoral and counterproductive to give your money to them. (This is something I'd researched in political science even before getting involved myself, etc., as you can imagine.)
It is really not the case that people can simply "do good" through the act of donation: you seem to be uncritically repeating propaganda you heard on television as a child. I am now wondering if I discussed this in No More Manifestos (possibly I didn't). It is certainly something I've discussed in the critique of the vegan movement and (e.g.) the billions of dollars lost to the BLM organization.
[I am not listing off examples from my critique of the vegan movement, but I have many times discussed specific organizations that absorbed millions of dollars in donations, accomplishing nothing, or accomplishing shockingly close to nothing: this is a genuine problem throughout the field, even in the business of handing out sacks of rice to starving people in Laos, etc. —and I am appalled at the voluntary ignorance (resembling religious faith, and entailing a lack of moral responsibility) on the part of the donors.]
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[BunnedGump:]
No malice. It's called push back. Give unto others... You really do need help. I hope you can recognize that, at some point. Let me try to get this through to you. I don't think you should be giving advice to others about anything because you've not achieved anything that gives you that gravitas. I truely believe you have an NPD, this also makes your advice giving suspect.
I'm not trying to prove moral superiority, nor intellectual, nor physical superiority. These are irrelevant. You troll, satirize, belittle, wage mini campaigns against anyone you like, on-line, yet you very quickly cry foul when you're the focus.
Attack me all you like, meme me, troll me. Go for it.
My boredom with you will set in when you finally seek professional help and try to address these things that have held back your life.
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[And I reply:]
Look, Gump, I'm willing to deal with the substance of anything you say that's substantive, and you've given me an occasion to prove it.
Re: "I don't think you should be giving advice to others about anything because you've not achieved anything that gives you that gravitas."
Okay, let's treat this as a well-intentioned objection on your part (and not as a mere insult). Let's treat this as a matter of substance.
My most recent livestream replies to questions from a young man that I really can answer, and he's asking about things that I have a great deal of experience with.
That's the livestream titled, The Rejection of Philosophy Becomes a Philosophy Unto Itself: Plato, Buddhism, Nihilism. You can also find that as a podcast, as a video, etc.
Your term gravitas is vague, but in that correspondence he's talking about the effect that reading Plato had on him as a young man, and I reply by talking about my own experience with reading Plato. He's asking about studying the ancient language Pali, and I'm replying by talking about my own experience with the study of Pali (and Buddhist philosophy, etc.). I do not lack any "gravitas" to discuss these things, and what I accomplished in that field is well-documented.
You say that I shouldn't give advice about anything: in that livestream I'm certainly working within the remit of giving advice about things I'm "qualified" to give advice about. Obviously, the young man had written to me before and after that one message: he wants and appreciates the advice I've given him.
I'm not offering advice on the history and politics of Jamaica. I'm not offering advice on how to learn Haitian Creole. I'm not talking about books of philosophy I haven't read. I'm not talking about areas of history or politics that I'm ignorant of.
I think another useful example here would be the video (and podcast) titled, Pretendian Politics: Thomas King v Jesse Wente. I don't pretend to be the world's greatest expert on this issue, but I do have years (YEARS!) of demonstrated interest in it and experience with it, obviously linked to my brief but intense period of studying Cree. So, yes, with my "credentials" being demonstrated within that video itself, I think it's fair to say that I can offer advice on that issue, in response to those news stories, and so on.
I would encourage you to criticize me: you can watch that video and then post some tremendously profound critique on Reddit about whatever you think is wrong with my (political) perspective on the issue. Perhaps you feel that you do not have "the gravitas" to do so yourself, I can't say.
Re: "You troll, satirize, belittle, wage mini campaigns against anyone you like, on-line, yet you very quickly cry foul when you're the focus."
No, that's not true at all: throughout my entire career I've encouraged my critics including the few who satirized me. In many cases, I took videos that were directed against me and re-uploaded them on my channel without adding any commentary or objection (I can remember three examples of that pattern at this moment, there probably were a few others over the years that I'm not remembering now). And, of course, many people who've criticized me I responded to warmly, in videos and livestreams and other formats —many more privately.
Many, many satirical videos were made about me by "Joe Vegan". Those videos have now disappeared without a trace. He generally portrayed me as a former CIA operative: he would wear "a bald wig" and attempt to imitate my accent (i.e., despite his own British accent). It was quite a production. I spoke to him warmly and encouraged him at the time: I invited him to appear in an interview on my channel and so on.
He did, also, criticize me "seriously" at a few points, and I criticized him "seriously" as well: my videos about him are now among the few traces remaining of his meteoric career.
I do not appreciate stupid and pointless criticism, but anything of substance I'm happy to deal with. I do not complain when people criticize or satirize me, but I will naturally complain if I think the criticism or satire is stupid —perhaps too stupid to merit a reply.
I've never pretended to be infallible, and I've never exaggerated or misrepresented my expertise: certainly, when I first started talking about veganism, I expected more disputes of real substance (more "push back", to use your phrase) from other vegans. Obviously, my expectations of my fellow vegans are now very low, after many years of experience, but disagreements of real substance have always been welcome.
I would not have any objection to others criticizing and satirizing me to the same extent that I've criticized and satirized Vegan Gains and Unnatural Vegan, for example. However, my criticism of those two contains a great deal of real substance, reflecting real concerns and good intentions on my part. Obviously, real substance is preferable to blithering idiocy, whereas real concerns and good intentions are preferable to self-indulgent malice.
James Aspey is another good example: Gump, you've seen my critique of James Aspey, and you're welcome to criticize me in much the same way. In your imagination, apparently, I have a great deal in common with James Aspey, so this might be a useful comparison.
[Eisel Mazard:]
You're the one hanging out in a reddit group with my name on it.
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[BunnedGump:]
Nobody hangs around..I have a little.notifaction pop up that says "NPD alert" kind of like the bat signal.
So, I pull off the road and whip out my phone and check my bullshit meter.
The group is for fans and critics. It's not the your own personal stage you're attempting to hijack.
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[My reply:]
Reddit is for anyone who is stupid enough to waste time using it: dude, look at your own history of how much time you've wasted on this group in the last several years. IT IS PATHETIC. I've seen you insulting me for reading various Ancient Latin authors: do you really think that's a waste of time when compared to what you've done in your (increasingly lonely) role as the most highly motivated "hater" of Eisel Mazard?
Dude… I've never seen you offer a substantive criticism of my work under any heading.
It's not as if I can say, "The guy's insulting, but he really had an intelligent perspective on climate change" —nor any other topic (out of thousands) that I've covered in my videos, podcasts and books.
You get to choose if you're sharpening your mind or blunting it, here on the internet: you're making the wrong choice, again and again, and on some level, you know it.
You know you'd be better off reading the Tragedies of Seneca and uploading your thoughts and feelings about the text (as I've recently done) or even making comedy videos, etc.
You know you'd be better off imitating my hobbies rather than insulting me for having them.
And keep in mind: all of this stuff you're criticizing is just a hobby for me.
Youtube is just a website on the internet. Uploading my thoughts about Seneca or Cicero or Stendhal is really just a hobby for me. And you do nothing like this in your spare time —and you know you'd be better off if you did.
[I'd remind you of what Aristotle says (toward the end of Politics) about the importance of what we do in our leisure time: this is one of those things that's simultaneously shallow and profound. Yes, it really does, eventually, have a profound effect on who you are, even if each book you read and each creative project in isolation seems silly. I'm surrounded here by people who are slowly killing themselves by making the wrong decisions under this heading: what they want is joy but what they end up with is a cycle of short-term self-indulgence, drinking themselves to death, smoking themselves to death, eating themselves to death. Imbeciles commonly claim that I have "a fake laugh" when I really am enjoying myself in making these videos, some serious, some ridiculous. I'm really laughing in that video, today, about a sixteen dollar textbook that's only eleven pages long: to me that really is hilarious, and one part of my hobby here is just sharing my sense of the ridiculous with the audience. Misunderstanding happiness is dangerous: what people will do to be happy is fatal in every sense of the word —it becomes your fate. Understanding happiness entails that you have something to share, even if (for example) your sense of humor excludes some and includes others. Research interests exclude some and include others in much the same way.]
[WildVirtue:] Youtuber thanks commenters for the engagement, sets the hamster wheel of Eisel's mind in motion
In before Eisel calls this just high-level triple-uno-reverse-satire.
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[EM:] Both of you need to get in line for some kind of therapy: this is a very mild joke, funny if you're aware of the history of each youtube channel in relation to the other (i.e., I have discussed Lindie's polyglot philosophy in the past)…
…the only people who would find this hard to interpret have some condition that prevents them from interpreting social cues.
BTW, also, I notice that neither one of you actually has any kind of objection to my side of this story: if I actually had a crush on Lindie Botes, or if I thought she had a crush on me, so what? Like, the point of the joke presumes that you're intelligent enough to be aware BOTH that I don't want her AND ALSO that I'm aware she doesn't want me, but if (if!) you're too stupid to pick up on it… what are you pretending to be offended by?
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[WildVirtue:] My desire to post this fully accounted for the possibility you're aware Lindie doesn't want you. You desired to make a tacky joke because you're a novel lil fellow. I like discussing novel lil fellows.
I get you don't feel this was a tacky joke, but out of curiosity are you able to acknowledge you've made a lot of tacky jokes in the past, such as in your tumblr days, where you painted people into imagined weird sexualized scenarios such that most of the people you were trying to make laugh just cringed?
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You're really addressing this from the perspective of a mentally disabled person who assumes everyone else shares your mental disability: we don't.
"Are you aware that this joke you were making was a joke?"
Yes, I am aware. Everyone else is aware. Everyone else gets the joke. Not you. Just you "have difficulty reading social cues".
Not everyone who gets the joke finds it hilarious, but several thousand people just saw that video with Lindie Botes in the thumbnail (you can see many, many appreciative comments on it, BTW, showing that people responded to it in a thoughtful way: it isn't a shallow or mean-spirited critique of what she has to say about polyglottery).
Yep, in that context, it is slightly amusing to point out that Lindie Botes gives my comment a heart, etc., not realizing who I am — and it is slightly amusing for me to refer to myself as "too hot for Lindie Botes".
You will notice that I posted this myself, publicly, intentionally, both on Instagram and on youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxlsuM7jIJimab7oyv7ZAOJe2-40DYjmGO
You behave as if you're "exposing" something I'm trying to "conceal"… nobody else is stupid enough to see it that way. It's a joke I made en passant, and posted on youtube, where it's visible permanently, as shown above.
Now, again, if you actually wanted to criticize my comedy videos, you could do so, if you had something intelligent to say. On some level, tragically, you're aware that you don't, so no actual criticism ensues. You can easily hear me criticizing my own engagement with comedy in hour-long podcasts, etc.
https://open.spotify.com/episode/4JPuusVMWoBdQ3kOUwi0we
Dude, not everyone is upset and deranged about this stuff: some people are capable of being serious intellectuals for a finite number of hours per day, and then joking around about the absurdities of life in their spare time. Not you, apparently.
I've recorded very grim, very serious reflections on climate change (carbon parts per million, etc.) but I've also recorded lighthearted comedy videos about it —probably some of them contained sex jokes you found offensive. So what? If you think that being an intellectual means that you can't have a laugh (including having a laugh at your own expense) you're wrong: even Machiavelli wrote comedy. And the one example that survived history was a bawdy sex comedy, BTW.
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I'd just point out, I'm the "proud" author of a comedy video (eight minutes long, one take) titled, She calls me the n-word, but I don't identify as black. I just cannot relate to the stupidity of WildVirtue asking, here, if I'm aware that my comedy involves "imagined weird sexualized scenarios" —yeah, bro, that video takes politically provocative humor about as far as it can go. And it isn't joking around about sex for self-indulgent reasons: it actually is making a political point through farce.
[LINK:] https://youtu.be/zurq4cVDUho
On à-bas-le-ciel:
LINK: https://youtube.com/live/t6vBgeJRiyI
On Eisel Mazard, Monolingual Polyglot:
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tY7o0cE-sk
As always, the podcast version can be found "practically everywhere", not just via Spotify, but you may get the audio only version via Apple Podcasts and other competing services, whereas Spotify gives you video plus audio, for better or worse: https://open.spotify.com/episode/13mMEYi9LljRQWfqAjuwXg
The longest 15 minutes of your whole entire life. ;-)
Also on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, etc., as an episode of Nihilism Now.
Originally broadcast as a livestream on à-bas-le-ciel…
LINK: https://youtube.com/live/6TFXEVITr5Q
…and later uploaded to Eisel Mazard: Monolingual Polyglot…
LINK: https://youtu.be/PI7NkMQWn4w
…and the Everyone Hates Eisel Mazard podcast.
LINK: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4Fu6hk7X1Y1YwV2diGb9ij
The first ten minutes of this consists of genuinely new content, with some genuine reflections on my personal life that will interest longstanding viewers of my channel even if they're not interested in learning Chinese. The final 12 minutes are a remix of an old video (that you may or may not be able to remember, even if you've seen it) for reasons explained within the first ten.
A "read along" video, with an accompanying article on the blog, etc.
I think there are three categories to consider —and they may overlap —and they may need to be disentangled.
On youtube…
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciCKdVwXDX0
…and as a podcast…
LINK: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6Rbnn7WkOL1ABfV9m9ebUP
[A viewer of the channel writes in:]
Hello Eisel. First of all I'd like to thank you for your work. As someone who has been watching (and reading) your stuff for over 5 years now you've been a tremendously positive influence on my life.
For some background […] [Personal details omitted.]
I've watched all of your videos and read your articles on the Pali language so I'm familiar with your general advice but thought it might be worth asking if you're perspective has changed or if you'd have more specific advice that you'd give one on one.
I have a copy of A K Warder's Introduction to Pali. My plans are to work through each and every lesson at least five times or until I have perfected all of the grammar and vocabulary on each lesson, periodically reviewing all of the older lessons I've finished, even the ones I'm certain that I've perfected. I'd be mainly working through this book while feeding vocabulary and grammar from each lesson into ChatGPT to create supplementary exercises (telling the chatbot to exclusively use vocabulary and grammar that I've personally fed it).
Minus AI this is the method I developed with Latin, which was largely based on your language learning advice.
[Footnote from EM. It certainly is remarkable that I've ended up providing guidance to others learning Latin, without ever learning Latin myself. For my next trick, I will ask a rabbit to pull me out of its hat, being unable to pull a rabbit out of a hat myself.]
A K Warder's book works from the Digha Nikaya. Once I've mastered his book I'm planning to feed the Digha Nikaya through ChatGPT section by section, asking it to give me a frequency list of the most common lemmas that I haven't already learned. Once I've mastered the Digha Nikaya I can move on to more complex non-prose texts.
I should state that I'm only on Lesson 2. What criticisms would you have for my plan, what would you change or add? Also I'd be curious to know why you originally decided to learn Pali as a language.
Personally I've read a decent amount of Greek and Ancient Roman philosophy, as well as other European philosophical and political texts. I've been studying Buddhism for the past few months and partially off the back of your videos and articles on the subject want to read the actual text for myself in it's own words.
Thank you for your time.
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[And I reply:]
The extant corpus of Pali texts is finite and repetitive: there is no point in asking ChatGPT to generate new exercises for you...
...because none of those new exercises will resemble anything that exists in the language.
You might as well work from examples in the small corpus of extant texts, or the even smaller corpus of texts worth reading. You're not really idle enough to research the Abhidhammapitaka, are you? "A valley of dry bones", as Mrs Rhys-Davids complained.
The Dhammapada is extremely simple and easy to read: just generate a random number (roll a few dice) and translate the given sentence from that poem instead of using ChatGPT to generate exercises.
I can't remember a single sentence of the Dhammapada being hard to understand.
Warder's book is stupid and boring, written by a stupid and boring guy for his stupid and boring students, but given that you've already learned to read Latin, I'd hypothetically have to assume you can learn to read Pali from Warder... if you're not so bored that you're discouraged and give up.
I may sound like I'm joking around, but boredom is a problem that needs to be taken seriously. I'd rather learn Finnish than French because French is boring to me —and if this is "shallow" it is nevertheless important.
You need to be honest with yourself about what you find interesting about Pali anyway: probably a small number of texts (including the Dhammapada) that deal with a small number of philosophical and aesthetic ideas. But hey, if you're a folklorist who wants to study the Jataka... then you're dealing with a larger vocabulary and a different sort of task.
Counter argument: empirically, have I ever met anyone who gained reading comprehension of Pali from A.K. Warder?
No. Not even once.
The vast majority of people I met who claimed they could read Pali were frauds. That textbook and the university classes associated with it have (AFAIK) produced zero people with reading comprehension of Pali. It is genuinely possible that A.K. Warder's methodology has a zero percent success rate.
Why? I have no idea.
Everyone says Pali isn't difficult to read, but this is equivalent to saying that veganism and sobriety are easily sustained: empirically, we know they're not easy because (1) so few people live by the code and (2) the code proves to be difficult to abide by for such a large percentage of people who try.
I studied Pali before the invention of Google Translate. Fraud will be even more widespread with computer assistance (including ChatGPT).
I now live in a palace surrounded by piles of Latin texts and Latin language textbooks, being a prison and a paradise of my own design, but, you will notice, I seem to be more inclined to learn Finnish.
You can tell me (i.e., I'm genuinely inviting your opinion here) how rewarding it is to read the original Latin of Appian or Sallust: the original Pali "is rewarding" because everyone else lies about what it says and doesn't say.
Perhaps that world has ceased to exist and my remarks are now out of date, but I assure you, just a few decades ago, it really seemed as if I were the first man alive who could read Pali because of the habitual dishonesty of everyone else in the field: one academic claimed that meditation was never even mentioned once in Pali canon, and "therefore" you should trust him with the system of meditation he'd invented personally (and this was a system that relied on his own supernatural/transcendental experiences to guide him, because of the supposed lack of guidance he found in the Pali canon). Other experts routinely claimed there was no mention of heaven or hell anywhere in the Pali canon, etc., as you've probably heard me complain before. So, yes, reading Pali for myself meant that I could break through this culture of misinterpretation —partly the result of the incompetence and insanity of my contemporaries.
Reading Ancient Latin does not offer this kind of breakthrough: in my ignorant opinion, the difference between reading Appian and Sallust in Latin (vs English) is relatively slight —relatively pointless, frankly.
Aesthetically, there is nothing beautiful about Latin for me: I have spoken to one (n = 1) maniac who is absolutely convinced that reciting Latin poetry with the correct cadence is the most beautiful thing in the world (it is "a religious experience" for him, in his own idiom) but I cannot regard Seneca's tragedy of Agamemnon in that way at all. I would really just be glancing at the Latin occasionally to question creative decisions the English translator had made —again, this is relatively pointless, reveals nothing of significance, and doesn't justify the effort to learn Latin in the first place.
My interest in Finnish involves the present and the future, whereas there's always something backward-looking about research into Pali or Ancient Latin. Although sinking slowly, in our century, they are too heavy to be dragged out of the morass of the past.
E.M.
[lukey_boii asks:]
When reading Aristotle should I learn to read the original ancient greek? I feel like I won't understand the nuances without understanding the original context of the language first.
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[And I reply:]
Wouldn't you need to read Aristotle in English, first, to form an opinion as to whether or not his books would justify many years of hard labor to re-translate and investigate?
Re: "I feel like I won't understand the nuances without understanding the original context of the language first." What if you're wrong? What if years of language study only reveals that you're an idiot and you won't understand it either way? What if the study of foreign languages leads to more self-deception, revealing more about the intention of the reader and less about the intention of the author of the text? The vast majority of people who learn a foreign language to read Buddhist scripture only become more blind to what those texts say thereby: they're able to understand LESS in their second language than their first, they're LESS able to cross-examine the evidence in an exotic, ancient language than a familiar, modern one. Likewise, Communists continue to be deceived by the same (simple, dishonest and stupid) texts as they move from one language to the next: the translator is not "undeceived" by the powers of translation.
It's one thing to make a judgement about Aristotle being worth reading, and it's another thing to make a judgement about yourself, as a reader. It may be that nothing good results from your learning of Ancient Greek at all.
This was first uploaded to Eisel Mazard: Monolingual Polyglot.
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HhTV8jxCR4
Some number of minutes later it materialized on à-bas-le-ciel.
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7b10USDVhI
Eventually, it appeared as an episode of Everyone Hates Eisel Mazard…
https://open.spotify.com/episode/0047QKcHkxDZWTJeXeBwM6
…HOWEVER, the latter half of this video (i.e., neither including the transitional song nor the monologue intro recorded today) originates as an audio-only podcast on Nihilism Now, under a slightly different title.
Also available as a podcast via Nihilism Now…
LINK: https://open.spotify.com/episode/74ObAyXYKlwNMR2SDXRwmb
…and Everyone Hates Eisel Mazard.
LINK: https://open.spotify.com/episode/6tep6MYHQyT6FDEnV104Y4
As always, the podcasts are not exclusive to Spotify, but can be found on Apple Podcasts and other competitors.
[dogwater6263 writes in:]
I think determinists would say that everything is determined in the same way that the last domino in a line of dominos must fall once the first one is pushed. That is to say, the initial conditions at the start of the universe began a causal chain that made it so that the atoms in my brain could not possibly be anywhere other than where they are now.
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[And I reply:]
Please just leave and never watch a video on my channel again —not any of my channels, not any of my podcasts. I am not trying to recruit an army of morons.
I know you don't realize how stupid you sound: you think you're demonstrating your erudition, rather than your idiocy. I'm not going to explain it to you. I'm not going to provide links to earlier videos and livestreams I made on the topic. I'm just going to ask you to leave.
[atomic.determinist writes:]
I've seen your content on determinism.
Was expecting a video on Robert Sapolsky to be there ?
Are you familiar of his work/lectures/books/arguments ?
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[And I reply:]
Yeah, the problem is that I'M NOT A MORON. I'd really encourage you to unsubscribe and enjoy one of youtube's many channels that are BY MORONS, FOR MORONS, instead. Such as the Joe Rogan podcast, where you'll find Robert Sapolsky was a guest.
"Robert Sapolsky views depression as a severe biological disorder, analogous to diabetes, rather than a failure of willpower, and generally advocates for the use of medication to address its neurobiological underpinnings. He highlights that antidepressants, such as SSRIs, function by altering neurotransmitter levels (blocking serotonin re-uptake), which helps manage the brain chemistry underlying depression. Sapolsky frequently asserts that depression is a disease that "screams biology," comparable to diabetes in its biological necessity for treatment. Robert Sapolsky views major depression as a severe, biological disease—not a personal failing—that often requires pharmacological intervention, such as SSRIs, to manage."
[The relationship between these two "philosophies" is neither incidental nor coincidental: there was a time when I would have said "I do not make enough money from youtube to justify putting the time and effort into criticizing these things" —but now, admittedly, money is no object, and I'm no long struggling to pay my rent, as I was before. It is just impossible to justify the critique of something so self-evidently stupid, created with such bad intentions, especially in a cultural context of so much habitual dishonesty: people like Cosmic Skeptic will never admit or discuss publicly the extent to which beliefs of this kind have really damaged their lives. This is just another god with another altar, and the lives that the believers sacrifice are most often their own.]
A New Definition of "Linguistic Nihilism."
LINK: https://youtu.be/ZN3-LU86BSA
This should eventually materialize as a podcast on both Nihilism Now and Everyone Hates Eisel Mazard.
LINK: https://open.spotify.com/episode/1rdFU2EeaLXmmyoEq3hy68
LINK: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5m3o0oCZXM4lU1W8lVRWDZ
As always, the podcast versions are not exclusive to Spotify, but should be "findable" on Apple Podcasts and every other major platform.
[@JD79-t9r writes in:]
Eisel, it's amazing how these guys always want to dismiss the 'talking about politics or science in your target language'. They say things like 'You don't need to talk about those 'advanced' topics bla bla bla.
What a funny cope!
First off, they call these topics 'advanced' based on their own lack of true fluency in their target language.
These are just normal parts of life.
Notice you never see any of these polyglots or their super-heroes like Krashen mention SCHOOL EDUCATION when talking about how native speakers develop their ability in their own language.
Because this would put an end to the whole Language Learning (fluency) grift completely. Because for someone to truelly be native-level fluent in a language they learn as an adult, they will basically have to relive a whole life in that language. Do all the school work in that language, from Kindergaten all the way to High School (at the very least) and University for some.
They will have to learn the Mathematics, Biology, Physics, Chemistry, Geography, Literature etc that native speakers learn in their own language. From the first day of school till the end of high school.
They will have to sit for all the regular tests. Get all the correction/feedback from teachers. Do the revision while prepairing for tests like native speakers do.
Memorise thousands of passages, sentences, formulas etc because you HAVE TO.
They will have to watch enough media to equal that which a native speaker has consumed. And this includes all sectors, from movies to comedy to songs to News on TV and reading Newspapers to cartoons.
They will have to also consume enough of the dialects of that language from different regions etc similar to a native speaker. Learn and use all the slang as it develops through their lifetime. So this way they know which slang is outdated and which one is new, and use them at the appropriate time like a native-speaker would.
For those who are religi0us, they will have to relearn their book and texts in their new language.
When you say these words to a Christian whose first language is English: "For God so loved the world...." They will automatically just say the remainder of the words and most likely tell you the verse it came from and so many other things associated with that verse.
Which Polyglot (assuming christian) can do this in any of their learned languages?
Can Luca Lampariello correctly describe (In English, German, Chinese or any of the 12+ languages he claims to speak) the industrial production of ammonia including the correct equations at each stage?
This is something done by a first or second year high schooler in most English speaking 3rd countries.
Can he define photosynthesis? osmosis? These are things done by 12 year olds in these countries.
Can he read a poem and be able to point out that there is alliteration used or consonance or assonance or sibilance... and be able to define what each of these words mean?
What is Charles' Law? What about Ohm's Law?
Can he explain each and include the necessary equations for 10 marks each?
Can he give synonyms and antonyms of words without having to think much?
How about talking about the periodic table in Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, Cantonese etc?
Again, these are things taught to teenagers.
These are not 'useless advanced topics' as they like to cope.
Can he comfortably understand a CANIBUS song or a WU TANG CLAN song including the cultural references? Busta Rhymes? Eminem? Nas?
If given the chance to show his speaking skills, can he commentate on a whole game of his favorite Sport similar to how a native-speaker fan of the Sport would? Say, a World Cup soccer game, or professional boxing match or whichever sport he enjoys.
The list is ENDLESS.
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[And I reply:]
Photosynthesis is a telling example: I raised this issue with Wolvengrey at FNU, asking him how languages like Cree and Ojibwe could survive if we didn't produce fundamental science textbooks, such as "intro to biology", in those languages. Cree can't exist just for repeating certain sentiments passed on from your grandmother: in reality, everyone in that institution had accepted that the language was already dead. They were curating a museum exhibit rather than teaching a living language. Similar questions can be asked about "small" modern languages like Lao and Cambodian, if they rely on students to speak English (or some other foreign language) to deal with "serious" issues. [Added in editing: I interviewed a professor in Thailand who admitted that her ecology program relied on all of the students being able to read articles in English, and that most of her classes consisted of extempore diglossia, coaching the students to better understand the English text in Thai. I assume the students were writing exams and essays in a garbled mix of English and Thai.] Among the Sinhalese, it was common to meet people who could neither discuss Buddhist philosophy nor modern politics in their native language, only in English (although Buddhist philosophy and modern politics are uniquely connected to the history of the place, Sri Lanka). You raise several other issues that are worth talking about, but you might be surprised at the extent to which I can (and do) sympathize with these other YouTubers: they're trapped in a cycle of successfully catering to the audience, and they feel that they have to keep coming up with new videos every few days, instead of dealing with the humbling (if not humiliating) and child-like labor of actually learning a language (or actually learning about history, politics or photosynthesis or anything else). You know, I could produce a new video on Plato today, putting together a fresh analysis of what I already know in an entertaining way, but I could also read Plato (JUST IN ENGLISH) for the next five years, before making another video on the topic. Which of these two kind of learning would be rewarded on YouTube?
Eisel Mazard. Monolingual Polyglot. Is the #1 vibes-based language education channel on the internet. You realize.
LINK: https://youtu.be/h2MhyKJw_Yo
On youtube and everywhere podcasts are "sold".
Stephanie McCarter's translation is worse than Charles Martin's by every conceivable measure aside from brevity. In my opinion, the difference in quality is drastic, and SM's work is drastically worse, unless for some reason you're interested in reading a translation that has the fewest words per line possible (but even this does not entail that her translation is better suited to parallel reading with the original Latin).
I have owned a very cheap, paperback copy of CM's Ovid since October of 2021, and bought SM's version second hand at the relatively high price of $28.86 Canadian.
There are shallow reasons for CM's translation, now, to be overlooked: Penguin, as a very powerful publishing house, is promoting SM, with a profusion of pink carefully calculated to appeal to Gen-Z, making the book look rather more like an off-brand beauty product than an on-brand examination of ancient ugliness, and while I encourage everyone to judge a book by its cover, in this case the one in a plain, white binding (with just a stripe of blue at the bottom, no illustration whatsoever) is the incongruous winner.
I have discussed the high cost of the Latin text in recent (short) videos: it may be worth mentioning that I paid $54.95 (Canadian) for the Oxford edition, commonly sold for a hundred dollars or more, but if you can find it for $80 (and you can) that would still be cheaper than owning the two volumes of the Loeb edition together. And although I identify as a nihilist, I cannot believe that nothing has improved in the editing of the text between 2004 and 1916. Admittedly, when I was reading Pali, I knew of many examples of ancient texts that had only gotten worse in the passage of the same century.