"For me, the difference between 'vegan' and 'plant based' is not the difference between 'ethical veganism' and 'health based veganism'. Veganism proper: it's never going to be satisfied with a merely personal decision to be vegan."
Fifteen minutes from season one.
LINK: https://open.spotify.com/episode/0EwpOopH8jPRIp2Zk6Qx2X
^ I'm never going to explain anything that clearly ever again… so don't even ask. ;-)
